Without telling you what machine gun part this is, can you tell me if its a fake mark or not? What does the number "10" mean? What are the possible years of production? Any info on this would help. How large should the mark be? The body of the Eagle looks like it has an "L" inside the circle that makes up the breast of the bird.
I have reason to believe this might be a fake. Any websites that could help would be great too. Thanks!
It seems like I read somewhere that the 10 was the designation for rocket but could be way off base, it's been awhile.
Nevermind - 10 was the designation for the rocket department not the Waffen stamp. Sorry. Here is a decent site for those wanting more info but doesn't have yours. http://home.scarlet.be/p.colmant/german-codes.htm
That is an interwar inspection mark. Plenty of guns had both these and Nazi waffenamts. Notice how much it looks like a Bundeswehr eagle from the 50's. Probably mid 1930's. Don't know about the "10" but that is not a fake mark. F
Guys you are getting close. It is either a interwar piece or its new made in Vietnam. Jmann, can you check and see if you barrels actually do have this mark or is it without the "10" and larger different looking Eagle? I have a MG08 lock with the stamp but when you look at it, its very different. No its not a Maxim barrel. They guy I bought this from claims it original but someone else claims he is a master forger and this piece is actually new and made in Vietnam. I was hoping that this mark would give it away. I figure the "10" either means something or should help ID it as a fake. Are there any websites on these style marks? I figured the K98 fans would have a website with lots of pictures that might help me ID it? Thanks for the help guys!
This link goes to an extremely helpful and informative list of waffenampt codes. It doesn't list code 10 so won't be much help on this project but its an awesome link for guys researching and crossreferencing waffenampts.
Maybe it will be helpful on the next one! Definately a link to save in your favorites.
My interwar belt loader has a similar(note) mark. The eagle is much more stylised and very small. Maybe 1/8th. tiny three letter code with "11" I think. The loader sucks but its kinda cool. When I say tiny, I mean freakin' small on the code. I dont know how they could engrave that small. Frazer
Nope, don't worry its not a really a guessable part. Yeah this is small too. Probably about 1/8" wide. It took me forever to get those pictures. The main thing seem to be the way the wings are. They don't look exactly like I think they should. Also the meaning of the "10" should help out a lot!
Because I don't want the judgment on this inspection mark based on the piece that its stamped on. I just want a straight up look at this mark. Once I can get some info on it, I have no problem showing the part... not that you will find it interesting anyway. If you really want to know, PM me and I will show you. But I would rather just look at the marking on it for right now.
i guess that makes sense but it just sounded odd. i know very little of the validity of markings. but wondered why it made a difference what it was on for your side.
threads like these are the learning center of this message board so i try to glean as much as i can .
Matt, I was mistaken about the eagle. I have several with wings outstretched and a swastika, some with wings raised over their head, and some with wings lowered, but none that look exactly like yours and no clues to the 10. Sorry.
Had a friend suggest "Luftamt". Common for air service stuff, especially during DubDubToo. During the war became the LBA mark. The "L" in the circle on the chest is wierd, thats why he thought Luftwaffe. JMTCW Jason
Did not find any proof marks listing 10 as a factory. However, the Germans started to use codes towards the end of the war to hide the factorys where the arms were being built. Circle 10 is Bulgaria Factory 10. If you could tell what gun/part the stamp is on that would help. I have lots of books.
I am 99% sure that this part was made before about 1938 when most of the Nazi style stamps took over from the interwar style stamps. It is certainly not a war piece. That is or its a fake. I can almost assure you that the telling you the piece will not help. You can trust me on that or PM me and I will tell you. I told Rory and he agrees that it did not help... just confused the issue.
Really the key here is to find this mark on another gun or find someone who knows a lot about these Interwar stamps. If they are real, they were made after 1918 and before about 1938.
The part I don't understand is if the guy selling it is "known" as a master forger why it would have such a questionable stamp on it. It would seem he would use something more recognizable, I would think the stamps would be one of the easier things to fake.
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